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Joanna Griffiths13 October 2020

328: Building a $50M Underwear Empire off $20K with Joanna Griffiths from KNIX

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Hot Take· 1

Hot Take32:00

The Agency Experiment Griffiths Said Lost $600,000

Griffiths said Knix briefly switched to an agency in 2018 and the company lost $600,000 in a single month after excessive spending. She preferred training internal performance marketers and questioned percentage-of-spend agency fees because agencies can earn more when client spending rises.

  • Knix initially hired an external expert to train its team rather than run the account
  • Griffiths said a one-month agency switch produced a $600,000 company loss
  • She believed agencies did not care about performance to the same extent as the internal team
  • Toronto offered a limited local pool of experienced ecommerce performance marketers
  • Knix responded by hiring smart people and developing them internally
  • Griffiths questioned incentives tied to a percentage of advertising spend

instead of hiring him to run the account I hired him to train people on my team

Joanna Griffiths · 32:30

they make more money when they spend more money

Joanna Griffiths · 35:30
#agencies#performance-marketing#incentives#training

Explainer· 1

Explainer28:00

Why Knix Built Its Creative Capability In-House

Knix built an internal creative shop when it became an online-first business, with Griffiths's husband leaving an agency role to lead the work. Griffiths argued that an in-house team shortened the context-sharing and iteration loop because its members continuously observed the brand, customers, and campaign results.

  • Knix developed creative concepts internally
  • Freelance production partners and directors supported television shoots
  • The company used few agency partners for creative work
  • Internal teams required less repeated brand context
  • Faster iteration supported testing and learning
  • Griffiths said creative did not need to be expensive but did need to break through

we built our own creative shop basically

Joanna Griffiths · 28:00

it's all about fast iterations testing and learning

Joanna Griffiths · 30:00
#creative-team#in-house-marketing#iteration#advertising

Story· 3

Story01:30

When Not Starting Knix Felt Like the Bigger Risk

Joanna Griffiths entered business school expecting eventually to run a media company, then became absorbed by an idea for leak-proof underwear. She decided to give the idea a year because living with the unanswered question felt riskier than trying and failing.

  • The Knix idea emerged during Griffiths's first week of business school
  • She used school projects to research the problem and interview people
  • She framed the initial commitment as a one-year experiment
  • Her feared downside was wondering what might have happened if she never tried

it seemed like a bigger risk to not do it than to do it

Joanna Griffiths · 02:30

I'm going to give this a year

Joanna Griffiths · 03:30
#entrepreneurship#risk#founder-story
Story04:00

A $20,000 Start Led to a 40,000-Unit Inventory Mistake

Griffiths won a business-plan competition that provided the first $20,000 for Knix and used it to reach prototype development. After a small angel round, she placed an initial underwear order of roughly 40,000 units and later regarded its size as one of the company's biggest mistakes.

  • The initial $20,000 came from a school business-plan competition
  • Griffiths worked part-time until her own availability constrained progress
  • The money carried the company through prototype development
  • High minimum order quantities contributed to an oversized first production run
  • Product improvements made the early inventory harder to clear

the first like 20 000 to kind of start the business

Joanna Griffiths · 04:00

i think i bought um i don't know 40 000 pairs of underwear

Joanna Griffiths · 05:00
#bootstrapping#inventory#manufacturing#founder-mistakes
Story13:30

One Department-Store Order Created a Three-Year Detour

Finding individual customers was difficult, so Griffiths persuaded a large Canadian department store to place a pre-order through the crowdfunding campaign. The move generated media attention but also sent Knix into wholesale for about three years, a channel she described as poor for cash flow when funding is limited.

  • The department-store pitch was an attempt to acquire many buyers at once
  • The unusual pre-order helped attract media attention
  • The order unexpectedly pushed the company toward wholesale
  • Griffiths characterized wholesale as difficult for cash flow
  • Limited access to funds made the channel less suitable

maybe I should try and get a department store to buy

Joanna Griffiths · 13:30

not ideal if you have limited um access to funds

Joanna Griffiths · 14:30
#wholesale#cash-flow#distribution#founder-story

Tool· 1

Tool25:00

How Knix Made Television Advertising Measurable

Griffiths said Knix used Tatari to connect television spots with website traffic and purchases. The service repeatedly reset the traffic baseline, attributed spikes across overlapping spots, and followed visitors for 30 days, producing cost-per-visit and cost-per-acquisition estimates that helped the team reallocate spend.

  • Tatari connected spot-level television data with Google Analytics
  • Traffic spikes were compared with a frequently reset baseline
  • The system attempted to separate spots airing at nearly the same time
  • Visitors were monitored over a 30-day trailing period for purchases
  • Knix used estimated acquisition costs to reallocate spending
  • This measurement approach made Griffiths more comfortable with television risk

you get a cost per visit and a cost per 25 30 acquisition of every single tv spot

Joanna Griffiths · 25:00

it takes like the blind guesswork out of tv marketing

Joanna Griffiths · 25:30
#tv-advertising#attribution#analytics#tatari

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway07:00

Knix Passed $50 Million After Moving Online

Griffiths said Knix had passed $50 million in annual revenue, employed 85 people, and sold an item about every six seconds. Apart from two company-owned stores, sales were online, and she attributed most growth to the period after the business shifted away from wholesale.

  • Griffiths reported more than $50 million in prior-year revenue
  • She reported roughly 50 percent year-over-year growth
  • The company had 85 employees
  • Most sales were online, with two Knix-branded stores
  • She said the company sold one item about every six seconds

last year we passed 50 million in revenue

Joanna Griffiths · 07:00

we sell a mixed item basically every six seconds

Joanna Griffiths · 07:00
#ecommerce#growth#company-metrics
Takeaway24:00

Knix Added New Channels as Each Growth Stage Topped Out

Facebook advertising was Knix's first major online acquisition channel because its problem-solution videos suited the platform at the time. As the company grew, it added ambassadors, public relations, customer service-driven word of mouth, repeat purchases, and eventually television advertising.

  • Problem-solution videos supported early Facebook advertising
  • Brand ambassadors became another acquisition channel
  • Better public relations expanded reach
  • Customer service supported word of mouth and repeat purchasing
  • Television advertising became a later-stage channel
  • Griffiths observed that each roughly $10 million growth increment required another channel

every 10 million in incremental revenue that you do you need to find a new channel

Joanna Griffiths · 24:00

really good customer service and that way word of mouth picked up

Joanna Griffiths · 24:30
#customer-acquisition#facebook-ads#brand-ambassadors#channel-growth