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Yoni Assia20 April 2021

354: What Yoni Assia Of eToro Learned During Dinner with Warren Buffett

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Hot Take· 1

Hot Take35:30

Public Portfolios Can Build Track Records That Take Years

Assia argued that eToro's public portfolios could become more useful as their histories lengthened, because investment track records take years to establish. He said the platform was already accumulating multi-year records, but his performance examples and future scale expectations were company claims rather than independently established in the transcript.

  • Long track records cannot be created quickly
  • Public portfolios preserve performance history over time
  • Assia expected many more long-duration records to emerge on eToro
  • The transcript does not independently verify the stated returns or future portfolio count

it's hard to build track records

Yoni Assia · 36:00

on etoro that's the basic track records are being built

Yoni Assia · 36:00
#track records#social investing#transparency#etoro

Story· 5

Story02:00

eToro Began With a Plan to Simplify Trading

Yoni Assia combined an early interest in trading with his training as a computer scientist. After his brother criticised the complexity of trading screens and spreadsheets, they began exploring a simpler and more accessible experience; the early demonstration ran from a server in Assia's home using simulated quotes.

  • Assia said he began trading at about 13
  • Technology and finance formed the starting intersection
  • The founding discussion focused on simplifying the user experience
  • The early prototype used a home server and simulated market quotes

i always loved the intersection of technology and finance

Yoni Assia · 02:00

how can we simplify the user experience

Yoni Assia · 02:30
#founder origin#fintech#product vision#prototype
Story11:00

The 2008 Crisis Forced eToro to Spread Client Funds

During the 2008 financial crisis, Assia said eToro faced the possibility that banks holding client money could fail. The company responded by distributing the money across multiple banks rather than leaving that exposure concentrated.

  • eToro was raising its next round during the 2008 crisis
  • Bank failures created a direct concern around client funds
  • The company reduced concentration by using multiple banks
  • Assia described the period as both frightening and exciting for a markets business

the banks where the money of your clients are could all go bankrupt the next day

Yoni Assia · 11:30

we started taking the money and 12 00 and spreading it across multiple banks

Yoni Assia · 11:30
#financial crisis#risk management#client funds#fintech
Story30:30

Persistence Earned Assia a Seat at Buffett's Dinner

After Justin Sun won a charity meal with Warren Buffett, Assia repeatedly contacted him through email, Telegram, and WhatsApp to ask to join. The event was postponed, but Assia was later invited and described the resulting dinner as life-changing.

  • Justin Sun reportedly paid $4.6 million for the charity meal
  • Assia contacted Sun repeatedly across several channels
  • The original meal was postponed
  • Assia ultimately received an invitation
  • He used the story to support his advice to founders about persistence

the minute i read it i started sending him email telegram what's up like bombarding him

Yoni Assia · 32:30

i was quite persistent with it

Yoni Assia · 32:30
#warren buffett#persistence#networking#founder story
Story33:00

The Buffett Dinner Reinforced Assia's Existing Beliefs

Assia said Buffett's comments at dinner were familiar from his books rather than surprising, but hearing them directly gave those ideas more weight. Assia presented Buffett's message as buying understandable companies with durable advantages and holding for the long term; any return expectations in this discussion are the speakers' claims, not guarantees.

  • Assia had read Buffett's books before the dinner
  • He said he could anticipate Buffett's answers
  • The experience reinforced eToro's original aim of making investing simpler
  • Assia attributed a long-term, understandable-business approach to Buffett
  • The transcript's investment-return statements are claims and not assured outcomes

none of it by the way was surprising

Yoni Assia · 34:00

i know what he's going to say because he's super persistent 34 30 in what he's always been saying

Yoni Assia · 34:00
#warren buffett#investing beliefs#long term investing#founder conviction
Story38:00

One Alec Baldwin Shoot Produced Hundreds of Ad Variants

Assia said eToro spent one full day filming Alec Baldwin after extensive script and production preparation. The team prepared hundreds of scripts or angles and captured scenes from multiple perspectives so the material could be recombined and tested, according to the discussion.

  • The filming itself took one day
  • Script work and set preparation happened beforehand
  • Assia said the team prepared hundreds of scripts or angles
  • Multiple scene versions increased the reusable material from the shoot
  • The resulting hooks and combinations could be tested

before that a lot a lot of work on the scripts

Yoni Assia · 40:00

hundreds hundreds

Yoni Assia · 40:30
#advertising production#creative testing#content leverage#alec baldwin

Takeaway· 3

Takeaway16:30

Why eToro's Strategic Bank Partnerships Failed

eToro brought in large financial institutions as strategic investors and hoped their trust and distribution could lower its reliance on paid acquisition. Assia said the effort failed because venture arms could favour eToro while brokerage arms competed with it, and banks often approached software companies as vendors rather than revenue-sharing partners; he noted that the situation might be changing.

  • The intended benefits were distribution and greater customer trust
  • Different units inside a bank could have conflicting incentives
  • A bank's existing brokerage business could resist cannibalisation
  • Assia characterised the historical vendor relationship as another obstacle
  • He presented the conclusion as specific to that period rather than permanently fixed

the bank has a you know a brokerage arm which is competing with you

Yoni Assia · 17:00

it's very very hard to overcome that cannibalization

Yoni Assia · 17:30
#strategic partnerships#banks#cannibalization#distribution
Takeaway26:00

Managers Need to Teach What Changed in Their Thinking

Assia encouraged managers to study organisational development rather than treat management as instinct alone. He described using Ichak Adizes' company-lifecycle ideas in manager education at eToro and argued that leaders must explain what they learned and why their direction changed, or frontline teams will be confused.

  • Assia described organisational development as a profession
  • He said different company stages require different kinds of people
  • eToro managers took courses based on Adizes' organisational theory
  • Learning at leadership level must be communicated to the wider organisation
  • An unexplained shift in direction creates confusion

remember that you need to teach what you

Yoni Assia · 27:00

you teach them what you've 28 00 learned and then they align with you

Yoni Assia · 27:30
#manager education#organizational development#communication#change management
Takeaway41:30

Assia Says Ideas Grow Through Open Dialogue

In his closing advice, Assia told founders to share what they want to build rather than remain secretive. His view was that ideas improve through dialogue and brainstorming with other people, alongside persistence in pursuing a strongly held goal.

  • Assia recommended being open about what you want to do
  • He linked idea development with dialogue and brainstorming
  • He paired openness with persistence
  • The advice was presented as his founder perspective rather than a universal guarantee

don't try to be secretive uh tell people about what you want to do

Yoni Assia · 42:00

the only way ideas can actually grow is through dialogue

Yoni Assia · 42:00
#idea sharing#brainstorming#founder advice#openness