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16 July 2026

684: She Bet Her House Deposit on Hair Gel - and Built an 8-Figure Brand

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Insights & moments

The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take41:00

Yasmina treats copycats as evidence the brand matters

Rather than focusing on competitors who imitate the product or criticize it, Yasmina frames copying as evidence that the original is worth noticing. Her defense is continued product development and a long-built community relationship that competitors cannot reproduce quickly.

  • She chooses not to spend attention monitoring competitors
  • The brand aims to move to its next idea while others copy
  • Nathan Chan argues that product features are easier to copy than the founder's marketing
  • Years of community trust form part of the brand's differentiation

It just means that you're worth copying.

Yasmine Al Mckay · 41:30
#copycats#competition#community#brand

Explainer· 1

Explainer43:00

Why 90,000 followers were more than a launch list

Yasmina describes her audience as a relationship built through years of personal stories and candid product opinions, not a pool of people to sell to. She believes that history made her product recommendation credible, while also insisting that the product had to earn repeat purchases on its own.

  • The creator had built her audience for about five years before developing the business
  • She shared positive and negative opinions about other products
  • She remembers personal details shared by some community members
  • Trust supported launch demand but did not guarantee retention

I don't see them as who I can sell to.

Yasmine Al Mckay · 43:00
#community#trust#creator brand#retention

Story· 6

Story05:30

The supplier search that cost nearly $10,000 in samples

Local Australian formulation options either would not take on a startup or appeared too expensive for the available budget, so Yasmina searched internationally. She chose a supplier who tried to understand her desired result without requiring a benchmark product and tolerated repeated rejected samples; she recalls spending close to $10,000 on sampling before the first production batch.

  • The founder compared local and international formulation options
  • The chosen supplier engaged with the desired outcome rather than a copy product
  • Willingness to continue iterating was a selection factor
  • The reported sampling spend excluded packaging, website, and payment fees

He also wanted to understand exactly what I wanted

Yasmine Al Mckay · 06:30
#manufacturing#formulation#suppliers#startup costs
Story13:30

What a 20,000-unit sellout looked like behind the scenes

After the reported 20,000-unit sellout, Yasmina packed through the night and took orders to a local post office herself. Broken glass in a small share of deliveries exposed packaging that was too thin, while the replacement stock was still about two months away.

  • The two-person business had no fulfillment team at launch
  • Friends and post-office staff helped scan the volume of parcels
  • Transit breakage revealed that the product box needed to be thicker
  • Fragile stickers were used as a temporary response

I was packing all night long from launch up until 5:00 a.m.

Yasmine Al Mckay · 13:30
#fulfillment#launch#packaging#customer experience
Story18:30

Preorders turned a sellout into a customer-service test

The website moved to preorder immediately, but deliveries slipped beyond the date customers expected. With no team, Yasmina handled email, packing, and shipping herself and found customer disappointment difficult to absorb personally.

  • Customers did not always notice or accept the preorder timing
  • The founder used the expected arrival date rather than a padded date
  • One person was covering customer service and operations
  • The experience exposed the need for clearer boundaries and staffing

We had no team. It was my husband and I.

Yasmine Al Mckay · 19:00
#preorders#customer service#operations#founder stress
Story20:30

A sleep-deprived order turned 3,000 bags into 30,000

While moving to printed labels and compostable shipping bags, Yasmina accidentally ordered 30,000 bags instead of 3,000. The supplier agreed to take the excess back, but the episode illustrates how exhaustion and weak purchase checks can put working capital at risk.

  • The mistake added a zero to a routine supply order
  • A full pallet arrived at the founder's home
  • The purchase came from a business account kept separate from personal banking
  • The supplier accepted the return after Yasmina called

I ordered by accident 30 000 bags 21 00 instead of 3 000 bags

Yasmine Al Mckay · 20:30
#operations#cash flow#founder mistakes#procurement
Story26:00

The Black Friday week that matched a year's revenue

Yasmina says the brand's first Black Friday week generated as much revenue as the preceding year, exhausting stock intended to cover about eight months. Freight was repeatedly rerouted, customer emails mounted, and the pressure affected her sleep and appetite; those effects are her personal account, not a general medical claim.

  • The brand had not discounted earlier in the year
  • Demand included existing users, first-time buyers, and gift purchases
  • Urgent air freight did not prevent routing delays
  • Customers generally preferred to wait rather than accept refunds

we made what we made in the whole year in the first week

Yasmine Al Mckay · 26:30
#black friday#inventory#logistics#customer experience
Story30:30

Why she sold equity without needing the cash

Yasmina initially dismissed repeated investor emails and did not want to surrender control. A meeting changed her view because the investors supplied operational knowledge, connections, and practical help—including introducing a 3PL—before contracts were signed; she says expertise, rather than funding, drove the decision.

  • The company believed it could continue bootstrapping
  • The investors specialized in influencer-led brands
  • Early advice exposed operational gaps the founders could not see
  • The agreement allowed Yasmina to retain business control as she describes it

It wasn't so much the funds that we were really needing. It was experience.

Yasmine Al Mckay · 32:30
#investors#equity#expertise#3pl

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway23:00

A growing business can consume money, time, and family attention

Yasmina pushes back on the idea that starting a business simply creates an extra income stream. In her experience, early growth required continual reinvestment and substantial personal time, including missed family events and periods when stress limited her presence with her children.

  • Early business revenue may need to fund further growth
  • The investment includes time as well as cash
  • Personal sacrifices can remain invisible to customers
  • Yasmina says the strain has reduced compared with an earlier stage

you're not only investing money, you're investing your time

Yasmine Al Mckay · 23:30
#sacrifice#reinvestment#family#entrepreneurship
Takeaway28:30

Turning off notifications helped the founder face the crisis

A cousin challenged Yasmina to stop monitoring queues already owned by customer-service staff and to work on the business instead. She turned off email notifications, addressed customers openly on social media, offered cancellations, and reframed the demand surge as a growth problem rather than a personal failure.

  • Assigned teams should be allowed to handle their responsibilities
  • Repeatedly reading complaints amplified Yasmina's anxiety
  • She remained publicly visible instead of avoiding the delay
  • Investors reminded her that some disappointment is unavoidable

Turn off those email notifications.

Yasmina's cousin, quoted by Yasmine Al Mckay · 28:30
#delegation#leadership#founder stress#crisis communication