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22 June 2021

363: Everything I've Learned Spending $30M on YouTube Ads

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The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster41:00

Raw Creative Is Not Automatically Right for Every Brand

Shackelford rejects a universal choice between selfie-style and polished customer creative. He argues that acceptable rawness depends on average order value, brand position, and whether an acquisition-focused presentation can remain credible for that product.

  • Higher-value brands may need stronger production quality even when mimicking user-generated content
  • Acquisition-focused brands can often test a more organic presentation
  • Rawness exists on a spectrum rather than as a binary format
  • Brand standards still set a minimum level of execution

you have to take into consideration your aov

Nick Shackelford · 41:00

that raw meter it's dependent on what was what where do you want your product to be

Nick Shackelford · 42:30
#ugc#creative#brand#aov

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take37:30

Identical Creative Can Behave Differently Across Ad Accounts

Despite his team's broad preference for top-of-funnel video, Shackelford warns against treating the pattern as an account-level guarantee. He reports seeing the same creative perform differently across three ad accounts for one brand and says he cannot fully explain the variation.

  • Portfolio-level patterns do not remove account-specific uncertainty
  • The same asset may produce different results in separate accounts
  • Testing is still required even when prior evidence strongly favours a format
  • Shackelford openly states that he does not have a complete causal explanation

i can have the same exact creative in all three of these ad accounts and they're going to perform completely differently

Nick Shackelford · 37:30

i don't have that answer

Nick Shackelford · 38:00
#testing#facebook ads#creative performance#uncertainty

Story· 4

Story05:00

What Apple's Reach Budgets Taught Shackelford About Scale

Nick Shackelford says his early Facebook advertising work for Apple exposed him to campaign budgets far beyond his previous financial frame of reference. He contrasts those reach-oriented campaigns with direct-response work, where return and revenue creation mattered directly.

  • His team divided large regional Facebook budgets across major Apple product campaigns
  • The primary objective he describes was reach rather than direct-response return
  • He became frustrated that spending the allocated budget could matter more than measuring commercial impact

it was my first introduction to what marketing dollars really meant

Nick Shackelford · 05:00

there was a disrespect in my eyes to return

Nick Shackelford · 10:00
#apple#ad spend#brand marketing#career
Story11:00

Fidgetly's Demand Surge Exposed an Operations Gap

Shackelford says Fidgetly reached a million-dollar run rate in its second month, but he had not prepared fulfilment for the volume. He presents the experience as evidence that strong marketing does not automatically make someone ready to operate the resulting business.

  • He reports more than $250,000 in sales during roughly the first month and a half
  • Inventory sourcing and shipping became immediate constraints
  • He concluded that his marketing ability had outpaced his operating capability

we hit a million dollar run rate within our within our second month

Nick Shackelford · 11:00

i have to ship all this stuff out by myself

Nick Shackelford · 11:30
#fidgetly#fulfilment#operations#growth
Story12:00

Bulk Teacher Orders Revealed an Unexpected Fidgetly Use Case

Shackelford says the team contacted buyers after noticing orders of 20 or 50 units. According to the feedback he recounts, some special-needs teachers said students used the spinners during lessons to occupy repetitive hand movement; this is customer-reported use, not evidence of a medical or therapeutic effect.

  • Unusually large orders prompted direct customer research
  • Some buyers identified themselves as special-needs teachers
  • The team used the reported classroom use case as a marketing angle
  • The transcript does not establish clinical efficacy

we started reaching out and asking like hey uh just said curiosity 12 30 like why why so many

Nick Shackelford · 12:00

they were special needs teachers

Nick Shackelford · 12:30
#customer research#fidget spinner#teachers#use cases
Story20:00

Why Shackelford Chose Skill Building Over Another Product Bet

After experiencing both a failed and a successful product, Shackelford chose not to put his proceeds into another speculative product. He returned to agency work to develop media buying as a transferable skill, then spent several years learning sales and team leadership before building Structured Social.

  • He viewed product selection as less dependable than developing an employable skill
  • He wanted the ability to create revenue across industries with appropriate adjustments
  • Agency roles gave him practice across many direct-response products
  • He later distinguished branded, repeatable businesses from short-lived dropshipping wins

the one thing that no one's going to be able to take away from me is if i have the ability to produce and create…

Nick Shackelford · 20:00

i actually want to start selling branded products

Nick Shackelford · 22:30
#career#skill building#agency#entrepreneurship

Tool· 2

Tool31:30

Use Ad Comments as a Buyer-Question Layer

Shackelford says observing his partner's ad-browsing behaviour showed him that some people go directly to comments for answers rather than reading the main copy. He highlights pinned comments on Facebook and Instagram as a way to surface useful conversation, while raising the need for customer-service teams to understand the product well enough to respond accurately.

  • Some buyers may use comments as a source of practical answers
  • Conversation around an ad can influence how the creative is interpreted
  • Pinned comments can surface the most useful response
  • Customer-service replies may need product and sales knowledge

i just go right to the comments

Nick Shackelford quoting his partner · 32:00

facebook now gives you and instagram the ability to pin comments on ads and posts

Nick Shackelford · 32:30
#comments#social proof#customer service#facebook ads
Tool43:00

The Split-Screen Testimonial Keeps Product and Proof Together

Shackelford describes a split-screen ad with a customer or founder speaking on one side and a clear product visual on the other. He says the format has worked for his team because viewers can see the item continuously while hearing the experience or explanation.

  • One side carries the testimonial or founder explanation
  • The other side holds a clean product image or product-in-use visual
  • The product remains in frame throughout
  • The format combines human context with immediate product recognition

it's the testimonial of of the person or or the founder talking about the actual product itself

Nick Shackelford · 43:00

you're keeping the 43 30 product in frame the entire time

Nick Shackelford · 43:30
#split screen#testimonial#product demo#creative

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway18:00

Why the Fidget Spinner Was Easier to Scale Than the Hoverboard

After losing what he recalls as just under $30,000 on hoverboards, Shackelford compares their operational burden with the fidget spinner. The smaller product was light, inexpensive to ship, fast to deliver, and arrived at a favourable moment before the school term.

  • Hoverboards were heavy to ship and costly when faulty
  • The fidget spinner could fit in an envelope
  • Domestic delivery could take only a few days
  • Back-to-school timing added demand
  • Shackelford says these advantages were recognised largely in hindsight

just under about 30 000

Nick Shackelford · 18:00

that wasn't calculated that was just right time right place right product

Nick Shackelford · 19:00
#product selection#shipping#timing#ecommerce
Takeaway48:30

Brand Owners Cannot Outsource Core Product Understanding

Shackelford argues that an agency or freelancer can contribute systems and collaborate, but cannot replace the owner's knowledge of the product, research, and intended direction. He also recommends learning enough of the advertising platform to evaluate and collaborate with whoever operates it.

  • The owner remains the primary source of product positioning and business context
  • External marketers can provide process but should not be expected to discover the entire direction alone
  • Platform literacy improves the owner's ability to give critical feedback
  • Durable systems matter more than isolated hacks

you are the voice of your brand you are the voice to your product

Nick Shackelford · 48:30

you don't want hacks you want systems and processes

Nick Shackelford · 50:00
#founders#agencies#collaboration#platform literacy